tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post7015589043998270556..comments2023-06-02T14:59:44.533+01:00Comments on Persolaise - A Perfume Blog: What I Hate About Perfumistas: More Thoughts From Francis KurkdjianBloggerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17806816026305227292noreply@blogger.comBlogger96125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-43615343134666628882013-08-18T10:42:59.158+01:002013-08-18T10:42:59.158+01:00Mary, better late than never :-) And don't wor...Mary, better late than never :-) And don't worry: you're absolutely not the only person who finds L'Heure Bleue a little bit strange...Persolaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04192014353722036319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-4271005314585565912013-08-14T17:01:29.383+01:002013-08-14T17:01:29.383+01:00I am late to reading this article and found it int...I am late to reading this article and found it interesting - though I absolutely love the perfumista bloggers. I am inspired by them and read a slew of them regularly. But what did blow me away about this were his comments about L'Huere Blue. I have NEVER heard anyone say this about that fragrance, but I get this from L'Huere Blue and had always thought there was something wrong with Mary P.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-5094944633430641822013-08-12T10:57:22.122+01:002013-08-12T10:57:22.122+01:00Who cares if you don't wear Rose Barbare or NR...Who cares if you don't wear Rose Barbare or NR for Her? You're the one who has the attitude.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-47766643118726256212013-05-20T19:52:04.986+01:002013-05-20T19:52:04.986+01:00Anon, all I can say is that I know quite a few peo...Anon, all I can say is that I know quite a few people who get a weird, chemical edge from L'Heure Bleue ;-)Persolaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04192014353722036319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-20348554841236502632013-05-18T12:54:29.697+01:002013-05-18T12:54:29.697+01:00He says L'Heure Bleue smells like burnt latex....He says L'Heure Bleue smells like burnt latex. <br /><br />Makes you wonder how Francis Kurkdjian has ever made good perfumes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-85583180808265372262012-09-05T18:15:24.045+01:002012-09-05T18:15:24.045+01:00Melanie, thanks for writing. I revere many older p...Melanie, thanks for writing. I revere many older perfumes too, but I sometimes find it helpful to be reminded that I must approach the future with as much open-mindedness as I can muster.Persolaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04192014353722036319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-6899878130310802572012-09-05T03:45:50.185+01:002012-09-05T03:45:50.185+01:00Be assured that I'm saying this "with a t...Be assured that I'm saying this "with a twinkle in my eye"-but how silly to say that perfume isn't about the smell. If it's not about the smell, then nevermind selling that stuff in the bottles, try just selling the "experience". OK. <br /><br />And I will always revere the perfumes of the past. For one thing, they were able to use ingredients which perfumers theseMelaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04232447890509137229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-30346527763154456432012-03-20T20:39:46.832+00:002012-03-20T20:39:46.832+00:00Thanks for these points, Ash. It's wonderful t...Thanks for these points, Ash. It's wonderful that this post has stimulated such an interesting discussion.Persolaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04192014353722036319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-74174408092828460772012-03-20T08:11:50.018+00:002012-03-20T08:11:50.018+00:00Point taken, Ash.Point taken, Ash.Kevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15720681740297983360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-43659681266939061702012-03-19T23:10:44.169+00:002012-03-19T23:10:44.169+00:00Ah, Kev... have some compassion.
I think it comes...Ah, Kev... have some compassion. <br />I think it comes with the territory; history is full of such details, e. g. Catherine de Medici's perfumer whom she brought along as part of her dowry was her biggest secret weapon. Some of the historical information, (Octavian C. is a very good source since he cites with references) is unbelievable; it is literally like perfume wars.<br />Perfumers are Ashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14678203808571432008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-77496998261512835192012-03-19T20:40:06.605+00:002012-03-19T20:40:06.605+00:00Kev, I hope you don't mind, but I beg to diffe...Kev, I hope you don't mind, but I beg to differ. I find many perfumers very interesting to chat with. They may not want to reveal every last detail of their craft - which is fair enough - but I've found that most of them are more than happy to talk.Persolaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04192014353722036319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-76468644424382820492012-03-19T20:38:58.578+00:002012-03-19T20:38:58.578+00:00FMC, as you imply, I think we need to acknowledge ...FMC, as you imply, I think we need to acknowledge the validity and importance of 'educated subjectivity'.Persolaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04192014353722036319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-57650249603376232202012-03-19T20:37:43.173+00:002012-03-19T20:37:43.173+00:00LCDP, thanks for writing. I'd say that in the ...LCDP, thanks for writing. I'd say that in the few times I've met him, he's always been very interesting in talking and tackling a wide range of questions. He may not always say what some people would like to hear, but at least he appears to speak his mind.Persolaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04192014353722036319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-57361208312559693852012-03-19T16:11:36.332+00:002012-03-19T16:11:36.332+00:00From the comments above I'm left thinking are ...From the comments above I'm left thinking are perfumers worth interviewing? They seem an INCREDIBLY boring bunch. They're either unwilling or unable to share knowledge. Let's face it, they don't really want to talk. <br /><br />At least they're happy to pose for a moody B&W photo in a black polo neck with a smelling strip.Kevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15720681740297983360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-920608646725082912012-03-19T10:04:18.751+00:002012-03-19T10:04:18.751+00:00Er... he just told perfumistas he doesn't like...Er... he just told perfumistas he doesn't like anything they write but he can't be bothered to talk about how he composes his own perfumes or share knowledge. He might have helped you with your nomination but he's not a particularly generous personality, is he?Kevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15720681740297983360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-11640500992581029932012-03-19T08:15:04.065+00:002012-03-19T08:15:04.065+00:00he is right about some things that you have to kno...he is right about some things that you have to know something about perfumes before considering yourself an effective critic...i also agree with him that perfume analysis should be subjective and not objective...there is just no criteria out there which establishes what is a good perfume and what is not..fmchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17720794894080129408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-38312253451451181962012-03-18T19:21:22.684+00:002012-03-18T19:21:22.684+00:00I want to take a stand in defense of Francis Kurkd...I want to take a stand in defense of Francis Kurkdjian. He's one of the VERY FEW that wouldn't mind full-scale perfume criticism. I actually owe him my nomination and win of my 2009 Jasmine award. He's definitely not an enemy of perfumistas and perfume talk, far from it.Le Critique de Parfumhttp://www.lecritiquedeparfum.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-15928797390438876342012-03-18T09:27:32.550+00:002012-03-18T09:27:32.550+00:00I like your phrase 'polite indifference'. ...I like your phrase 'polite indifference'. I agree that artists need to fight hard to distance themselves from certain aspects of criticism, in the same way that critics should always remember to keep the boundary between themselves and the artists very clear.Persolaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04192014353722036319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-38284948660160752402012-03-17T10:41:30.453+00:002012-03-17T10:41:30.453+00:00This I agree with that there should be no coming t...This I agree with that there should be no coming together of artists and critics (and I mean 'real critics', people who do have know-how of perfumery oils, synthetics, the whole interaction which begins even before a frame is given to the perfumer to create a scent) and there are only a rare few. And trust me, they will never acknowledge it; it's part of being an insider. <br />Say Ashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14678203808571432008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-39803173379266983952012-03-16T18:43:14.337+00:002012-03-16T18:43:14.337+00:00I think I've got it sorted now. Thanks again f...I think I've got it sorted now. Thanks again for letting me know that the 'subscribe' option had vanished.Persolaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04192014353722036319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-38370343484737664572012-03-16T18:27:31.546+00:002012-03-16T18:27:31.546+00:00Oh, that's obnoxious!Oh, that's obnoxious!Elisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10270808520581466353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-16753913231172999902012-03-16T13:25:41.757+00:002012-03-16T13:25:41.757+00:00Olfacta, thanks for writing. It goes without sayin...Olfacta, thanks for writing. It goes without saying that FK didn't mean a literal frame, right?<br /><br />I know what you're saying about Andy, but I would be surprised if even he were to reveal every single thing about how he creates his scents. Agreed, he reveals a great deal, but the fine details will always remains concealed. And that's how it should be, in my view.Persolaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04192014353722036319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-34440623688100409162012-03-16T12:55:14.299+00:002012-03-16T12:55:14.299+00:00Hi again SculptureOfSoul,
It is a difficult topic...Hi again SculptureOfSoul,<br /><br />It is a difficult topic, no question about it. And we know very well that no perfumer is going to tell us *exactly* how they make their fragrances. <br /><br />But I think another reader has already commented earlier that critics and artists *shouldn't* mix with each other too much: it can be dangerous to know too much about how a work of art is made. BothPersolaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04192014353722036319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-68274251533815683562012-03-16T12:52:09.535+00:002012-03-16T12:52:09.535+00:00Ash, many thanks for leaving such a detailed comme...Ash, many thanks for leaving such a detailed comment.<br /><br />Are perfumers like the Illuminati?? In some senses, maybe that's true. But surely, we must also admit that nowadays we know infinitely more about the creation of fragrances than we did 20 or 30 years ago.<br /><br />And as for criticism... well, that's a whole can of worms in itself.Persolaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04192014353722036319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-83606908626361967792012-03-16T12:49:16.140+00:002012-03-16T12:49:16.140+00:00SculptureOfSoul, thanks for taking the time to lea...SculptureOfSoul, thanks for taking the time to leave such a detailed comment. <br /><br />I suspect it wasn't FK's intention to p*** anybody off (although, if I'm wrong about this, I'm happy for his PR team to correct me!). I think he was genuinely trying to grapple with what is a very difficult subject to pin down. The subjects of freedom vs constraints, expertise vs fandom, Persolaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04192014353722036319noreply@blogger.com