tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post2457600643088023086..comments2023-06-02T14:59:44.533+01:00Comments on Persolaise - A Perfume Blog: Smell With Your Guts: A Few Words From Kurkdjian + Opus VI Give-Away PreviewBloggerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17806816026305227292noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-42319902912714973472012-03-13T20:07:28.528+00:002012-03-13T20:07:28.528+00:00Elisa, I should think he'd be great company!Elisa, I should think he'd be great company!Persolaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04192014353722036319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-59607334415833711452012-03-13T19:01:42.168+00:002012-03-13T19:01:42.168+00:00The part about Jennifer Aniston makes me laugh and...The part about Jennifer Aniston makes me laugh and laugh. I want to invite this guy to a dinner party!Elisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10270808520581466353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-91321268265578637802012-03-06T19:45:49.808+00:002012-03-06T19:45:49.808+00:00Sujaan, there's some rubbish I'm quite hap...Sujaan, there's some rubbish I'm quite happy to enjoy...Persolaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04192014353722036319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-35618190343713779902012-03-05T15:34:30.344+00:002012-03-05T15:34:30.344+00:00Absolutely! I guess my Millionaire Matchmaker addi...Absolutely! I guess my Millionaire Matchmaker addiction explores my taste in rubbish! LolSujaanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04919481790696579394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-68843000378735138872012-03-05T07:53:54.877+00:002012-03-05T07:53:54.877+00:00Sujaan, I'm glad you enjoyed the piece. Finger...Sujaan, I'm glad you enjoyed the piece. Fingers crossed, I should be able to post more of Mr K's thoughts next week.<br /><br />I know exactly what you mean by the apparent contradiction... but then, have you ever loved a song or a movie which you've known is 'rubbish'?Persolaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04192014353722036319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-54450078190470576402012-03-04T15:34:44.167+00:002012-03-04T15:34:44.167+00:00So funny. I really enjoyed this exchange. On one h...So funny. I really enjoyed this exchange. On one hand he is so equitable with his views on perfume as art and we should all be free to like what we like. Then he slips (Freudian?) later on and admits that some people have good taste and some have bad. Was that contradictory to anyone but me?<br />Still, I'd like to listen to him talk some more, he seems pretty interesting...and feisty.Sujaanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04919481790696579394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-35709268183049286732012-03-01T19:41:29.837+00:002012-03-01T19:41:29.837+00:00Tara, I think it would certainly be possible to in...Tara, I think it would certainly be possible to interpret his words in that way. Personally, I don't think that 'long term mass tastes' can always be taken as a measure of quality, but I'm sure that in some instances, they can.<br /><br />You haven't got long to wait till the draw!Persolaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04192014353722036319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-67187558929932896282012-03-01T12:02:58.708+00:002012-03-01T12:02:58.708+00:00Thanks for this. Fascinating and a lot of fun! Wha...Thanks for this. Fascinating and a lot of fun! What I took from him (rightly or wrongly) was when trying a fragrance don't to be prejudiced regarding brand/perfume type and don't over intellectualise it, just feel your reaction in your "guts". Totally agree with this and I do think people on a global scale do end up being "right" but I think it often takes time for theTarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00825957684276136205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-91793951096183596432012-03-01T07:39:15.282+00:002012-03-01T07:39:15.282+00:00Leslie Ann, thanks for your detailed comment. You&...Leslie Ann, thanks for your detailed comment. You'll have seen, of course, that Kurkdjian also says we should wear whatever we like... indeed he says that we should *like* whatever we wish to like, regardless of whether it's 'rubbish'... which brings us back to the question of how we separate personal judgements from whether something is a 'good' perfume/film/painting etc.Persolaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04192014353722036319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-81282138760374917572012-02-29T17:49:28.385+00:002012-02-29T17:49:28.385+00:00Can we define "objectivity" as "sub...Can we define "objectivity" as "subjectivity in context"? (I think that was the point you were making, Persolaise.) When I was younger, I liked Mozart. Many years later I appreciate Penderecki. Once wanted only pastoral art of Dahlhart Windberg in my home; now my walls are almost entirely covered by Kandinsky. At one time in my life I enjoyed floral fragrances almost Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12362245569689921482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-87764544636101678982012-02-29T07:39:17.706+00:002012-02-29T07:39:17.706+00:00aka Warum, thank you. I'm sure this is a debat...aka Warum, thank you. I'm sure this is a debate that could go on for quite some time.Persolaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04192014353722036319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-57160957104487988122012-02-29T07:38:29.631+00:002012-02-29T07:38:29.631+00:00Candy Perfume Boy, thanks for writing. Yes, he doe...Candy Perfume Boy, thanks for writing. Yes, he does say people can like rubbish, but notice he does still say it's rubbish!Persolaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04192014353722036319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-41276339202202760822012-02-29T01:21:11.159+00:002012-02-29T01:21:11.159+00:00Thank you, this was a very interesting dialogue, b...Thank you, this was a very interesting dialogue, but I have to admit that the first question, the one you asked, was almost not answered (if you ask me, that is). Interesting take on a word objectively, too. But it's a nice topic to raise and a good dialogue to have!a.k.a. Warumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14751185174871487907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-84094647396570193702012-02-28T22:52:29.188+00:002012-02-28T22:52:29.188+00:00I won't weigh in on the objectivity/subjectivi...I won't weigh in on the objectivity/subjectivity debate because it makes my brain hurt but I will say that I do really like that he says that it doesn't matter what you like, you can like crap too. This is a very refreshing stance from someone of Kurkdijan's stature!<br /><br />Thank you for posting this very interesting exchange!The Candy Perfume Boyhttp://thecandyperfumeboy.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-61222044035031487692012-02-28T19:43:27.299+00:002012-02-28T19:43:27.299+00:00Susan, thanks very much for writing such a detaile...Susan, thanks very much for writing such a detailed comment, and I take your point about future critics' views on aquatics et al.<br /><br />Personally, I think we need to move away from the idea that subjectivity is a dirty word. It is impossible for any critic to be wholly objective. It should be acceptable - perhaps even preferable - for a critic to adopt a position of educated, Persolaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04192014353722036319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-60016795180675831742012-02-28T19:41:05.066+00:002012-02-28T19:41:05.066+00:00Vanessa, yes, that is an interesting point. Certai...Vanessa, yes, that is an interesting point. Certainly, the vast majority of scents we currently consider to be classics were huge hits when they were first released.Persolaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04192014353722036319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-54066264017781919202012-02-28T19:40:07.320+00:002012-02-28T19:40:07.320+00:00Frida... I think a lot of people do, you know.Frida... I think a lot of people do, you know.Persolaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04192014353722036319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-7597051885681601602012-02-28T19:39:42.649+00:002012-02-28T19:39:42.649+00:00Andy, once again, I'm wary of speaking for FK,...Andy, once again, I'm wary of speaking for FK, but I doubt he reads this blog, so as he's unlikely to leave a comment, I'll try to explain my understanding of what he meant.<br /><br />I think the reason he answered my question by talking about past trends is that he considers this to tie in with a certain form of objectivity: if we view perfumes as socio-cultural artefacts, then thisPersolaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04192014353722036319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-11650562730280624202012-02-28T19:35:12.490+00:002012-02-28T19:35:12.490+00:00AromaX, I don't want to put words in FK's ...AromaX, I don't want to put words in FK's mouth, but I suspect that what he may have been trying to get at is that 'personal objectivity' is the only real objectivity we can attain.<br /><br />And yes, be sure to come back on Friday ;-)Persolaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04192014353722036319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-76073789831169267612012-02-28T19:33:44.830+00:002012-02-28T19:33:44.830+00:00Carrie, thank you. And I'm glad that the playf...Carrie, thank you. And I'm glad that the playful tone came across.Persolaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04192014353722036319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-67744674965657760612012-02-28T19:05:08.471+00:002012-02-28T19:05:08.471+00:00The debate about the critical perspective vs. that...The debate about the critical perspective vs. that of the general public regarding art (including commodified art) has been raging for at least a few centuries and is one of the central questions of modernity. I don't think any one person has the answer.<br /><br />I do not really believe in objectivity. There are certainly formalist aesthetic schools that believe in objectivity: "I, theSusanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14270911675241391462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-10880780420553016882012-02-28T15:55:59.063+00:002012-02-28T15:55:59.063+00:00I agree with AromaX on the interpretation and Bloo...I agree with AromaX on the interpretation and Bloody Frida on the bathroom storage issue! That is a scent crime for sure. : - )<br /><br />Also, FK's view (if I understood him rightly) that the public at large are the true arbiters of taste rather than the "critics", whoever they may be, was interesting.Vanessahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11847145282522572183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-12748628587165967882012-02-28T15:07:13.766+00:002012-02-28T15:07:13.766+00:00What I find interesting is the bathroom reference ...What I find interesting is the bathroom reference - we don't store our perfumes in the bathroom!Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06394558427981331885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-43168996001371650842012-02-28T14:39:01.445+00:002012-02-28T14:39:01.445+00:00I find the answers a bit confusing. For me guts ha...I find the answers a bit confusing. For me guts has not much to do with objectivity.<br /><br />The question " at what level can you be objective " (when it comes to perfumes) is answered by "perfumes mirroring our days and lives" which is not really an answer. And the second answer to the question "advise somebody to evaluate a perfume objectively, what would you say&Andynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738735825185930519.post-28947098002808320892012-02-28T08:18:32.748+00:002012-02-28T08:18:32.748+00:00A little bit confising. As it sounds like "be...A little bit confising. As it sounds like "being objective to a perfume" means to trust your nose, be honest and dare to recognize what you are feeling, don't judge. But isn't it "subjective". Looks like the answer for the first question should be "Subjectivity is the only right way to enjoy and appreciate a scent."<br /><br />A bottle of Opus on Friday? AromaXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14212200633591194271noreply@blogger.com